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Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 189	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:00:00 - [1] - Quote I think autopilot should act exactly like clicking on each system on the overview and jumping as soon as you get into a new system. If it did that, it would be a useful feature. The way it is now it is not useful, yet I can still pilot by clicking 'jump' in each system myself. So changing autopilot would not change the game much, but it would make long journeys (which is NOT what EVE should be about - EVE's about what happens when you get there) more tolerable for the players. IE, I could go do something else while my ship traveled and if I came back to a pod, I would at least understand that there wasn't going to be much I could have done even if I had been manually piloting. If they don't change it I won't be mad or anything but I believe that having a button that does better than autopilot makes autopilot mostly obsolete. I'm not sure why CCP would want us sitting there playing EVE as opposed to being able to automate the boring portion of EVE. I would lobby for instant transfers to anywhere but that's already a feature with jump clones and would mess up a lot of things. So travel time is necessary but what's the point of making it a manual process over an automated one? There's no ads they want me there to click through, and I'm watching another screen waiting for the jump sound anyway. They're still getting their sub money, so why does travel need to be such a chore?
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 189	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:30:00 - [2] - Quote I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time. I do this because when I do it, it does things better and quicker and with less mistakes than manual operation. So autopilot doing a job that I could program a bot to do instead (hit jump button on system change) and the bot that I programmed would do it better. It's an incorrect game design decision, because those who really care will sit there and manually jump (as I do). So I'm not asking for any safety, I'm asking for autopilot to be an automatic pilot, not an automatic idiot. As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here? I've set destination, and all I do is go into the game and press 'jump' every system as opposed to not having to do that. That's the difference here. I'm NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING A GAME. The decisions that make up the gamespace have already been made - I'm going to wherever. That's set. What you're asking me to do is sit there and babysit a game that really doesn't need it with a very small tweak. Once the decision is made, why can't I have a computer (my gosh, we've invented those in real life that work better!) do the grunt work of pressing 'jump' every system change? Is that really too much to ask in a computer game? What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE. I'm guessing, pressing the 'jump' button 15 times isn't fun for most people. Why are you so opposed to ditching that?
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 189	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:38:00 - [3] - Quote I just participate on the forums and chimed in on a thread that someone else started. I didn't come here to whine about autopilot, but since it was brought up, I had some thoughts to kick in. I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck. If you want a game that makes you babysit it while a predetermined outcome occurs, I suggest Candyland.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 189	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:41:00 - [4] - Quote Draw a card... one yellow... move ahead to yellow... draw a card... one yellow... move ahead to yellow. I guess Candyland might be too exciting for you, because you don't know what color you're going to draw next. So traveling in EVE is more like playing Candyland with all the cards face up.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 189	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:46:00 - [5] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck. So EVE sucks then? In that case, can I have your stuff? Contract sent.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 189	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:53:00 - [6] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck. So EVE sucks then? In that case, can I have your stuff? Contract sent. Stuff gratefully received. ... will you play Candyland with me?
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 193	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:28:00 - [7] - Quote Hiryu Jin wrote: damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore. Technically, I don't have to log in now.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 193	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:31:00 - [8] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Autopilot is like Abortion Better to have it and not need it than need it and NOT HAVE IT No it isn't.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 193	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:33:00 - [9] - Quote Hiryu Jin wrote: damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore. It's almost as if they decided something was not very entertaining (bookmarking all gates) and fixed it. I wonder if they'll do that with any other part of EVE.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 193	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:33:00 - [10] - Quote Hiryu Jin wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: Hiryu Jin wrote: damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore. Technically, I don't have to log in now. I think you should take advantage of that feature immediately. Naw, I enjoy EVE, so I think I'll keep playing, but thanks for the alternative suggestion.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 195	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:34:00 - [11] - Quote I do think it's kind of funny that you would think anyone would unsubscribe or stop playing over the autopilot button though. Are you going to stop playing if they change it? Yeah, it's just not that important, right?
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 195	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:36:00 - [12] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: No it isn't. OH yes it is You're so right, what was I thinking to even disagree at all?
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 195	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:39:00 - [13] - Quote Hiryu Jin wrote: remember when AP was really broken and sent everyone to rancer. :p Now that's broken.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 195	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:39:00 - [14] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: You're so right, what was I thinking to even disagree at all? Its ok A lot of people think they disagree with me But really I know they dont Dont worry cutie I still Think you're tops xxx Sorry babe, I like my girls with McCands.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.28 01:55:00 - [15] - Quote If nothing got me that close to the gate, then autopilot also doing it would be fine. It would make the game slower, but with a purpose. Then, I would need to watch my travel no matter what, because when I landed, I would have to get to the gate. That actually sounds better than warp to 0. Traveling would be risky.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:14:00 - [16] - Quote Of course it's working as intended, I'm just wondering what intention behind it makes sense from a game design perspective that isn't nullified by the warp-to-0 button.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:21:00 - [17] - Quote Why couldn't they make a game that sucks less? "Because they designed it to suck more, HTFU"
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:31:00 - [18] - Quote You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background. I play a lot of board games. In board game design, a lot of emphasis goes into making things easier to do in order to get down to the actual decisions in the game and let the components get out of the way. When a computer game that has the added bonus of being on a computer puts things in that makes you do things without making decisions, I don't really appreciate it. Any way of reducing this is good to me. I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. Make there be an actual challenge or actual decision instead of just making me click a button. Farmville can do that. EVE should be above it, in my opinion. Obviously it's not shared by everyone.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:39:00 - [19] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background. I play a lot of board games. In board game design, a lot of emphasis goes into making things easier to do in order to get down to the actual decisions in the game and let the components get out of the way. When a computer game that has the added bonus of being on a computer puts things in that makes you do things without making decisions, I don't really appreciate it. Any way of reducing this is good to me. I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. Make there be an actual challenge or actual decision instead of just making me click a button. Farmville can do that. EVE should be above it, in my opinion. Obviously it's not shared by everyone. I play a lot of board games too But what you are suggesting is tantamount to designing a board game that can play itself No it isn't. The game in EVE is ship fits. Trading. Deciding where to go next. Setting prices. Deciding what BPs to buy and when to manufacture, and when to put them on the market. Etc. Decisions. Travel is NOT what EVE is about. Are people really saying it is? That would be ridiculous.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:40:00 - [20] - Quote Also, picking targets, etc, PVP stuff I don't really know about. Again - not traveling. Do people really log into EVE and think, "Man, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be AWESOME." If so, there's no argument that can help them.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:43:00 - [21] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background. I play a lot of board games. GÇªand thus you understand that a dice rolling app isn't the same thing as rolling dice. Quote: I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. It doesn't make you do that. It's just beneficial to do under certain circumstances. It's another decision for you to make: do you want fast travel or do you want hands-off travel? True enough. But false decisions are also lazy design. It's always 'better' to not use it, unless you're actually doing something else while traveling.
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:47:00 - [22] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: Do people really log into EVE and think, "Man, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be AWESOME." Wrong way around. People log in and think GÇ£man, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be horribleGÇªGÇ¥ so on second thoughts, they'll go for this content, close-by, rather than that other content all over at the other end of space. Now we're getting somewhere. So is this an important part of EVE worth keeping? If so then shouldn't we eliminate autopilot?
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:49:00 - [23] - Quote Hmm. I think I already know the answer to that question based on your last reply. Anyway, this was a good conversation and I appreciate your knowledge of autopilot and how it can be better in some situations (knowledge I haven't acquired yet). Thank you!
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 197	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:52:00 - [24] - Quote Tippia wrote: Jythier Smith wrote: True enough. But false decisions are also lazy design. It's always 'better' to not use it Not even close. It's sometimes better to use it, and sometime it is better not to, and it's up to you to decide which is which. This is not a false decision. It's a decision that can keep you safe or can kill you, and it's not always the same choice that leads to the same outcome. No, this is the reason why it should stay in the game.

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